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Leaders Question How to Best Allocate Resources for Troubled Youth

Rochester, N.Y. - By all accounts, Tyquan Rivera was a troubled young man already in the juvenile justice system. His case has some wondering about the effectiveness of programs meant to help such youth.

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merlot - 2/4/2009 9:00 PM
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They already wasted time trying to "save" this kid. Some people are simply born diabolical! There is no hope for him. He will actually succeed in the killing next time!

JonsMom - 2/4/2009 10:16 AM
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CPS are also the only ones who can get real help for out of control kids. They are the only ones who can refer you for out of home placement. So on one hand they have to much power and if not abused it can be a life saver for families with children who have a mental illness or other behavior issues. Its just the luck of the draw... If you get a good CPS worker or a bad one.

JonsMom - 2/4/2009 10:13 AM
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As much as I think CPS does a wonderful job in all reality they really do have to much power. It all depends on the worker and how well trained they are. You may get someone having a bad day who decides that for safety sake they are just going to confirm the case and then your name is in the NY state child abuse registry for the next 28 years! No jury no trial no law enforcement just a CPS worker who may not even have any children at home who wants to protect his or her own butt as a just in case type of thing. They may come to your home once and you may defend the fact the your child is out of control, has a document mental illness, has had numerous police reports filed for being violent, has tried to kill himself over and over again, is failing school, refuses to take his meds, beats up his siblings and they may still find you at fault. BUT you know what.. who cares! It happened to us!!! and here I still fight for my son. I know that I am good mother and I know that none of my children have ever been abused. I am a suburban white woman and was told by a black CPS worker that the standards are different if we were a poor black family. Huh? They are alllowed to restrain their children if they are out of control but white families are not. I dont care who it is if they are out of control then so be it. Parents NEED TO STOP FEARING CPS! AND CPS NEEDS TO BE CONTROLLED A LITTLE BETTER BY A HIGHER POWER SO THAT PARENTS DONT NEED TO FEAR THEM. These kids are on to the " I am going to call CPS and tell them you hit me if you dont let me do what I want. Sometimes it really does work and then they tell their friends. I say give power back to parents and if CPS wants to scare parents then let them do it through a jury.

JonsMom - 2/4/2009 10:04 AM
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Pankydooley: That was very well put and is a ditto to what I just wrote on a different thread. I also have a 15 year old with BiPolar and ODD. He has been hospitalized 3 times since July and has had numerous MHA's. I have stood my ground with this child. There is no way that he is going to do whatever it is he wants no matter what! When he used to take off at night because he didnt want to follow rules. We followed right behind him! No matter what time of day, no matter what we were doing... We stood strong to him. He goes to therapy once a week which is a parents responsibility to get there children there. He may have to answer to a PINS if he continues although right now he is doing well and seems to be finally getting the picture that we LOVE him and will stick like glue until we see that he is on the right path. Its working! Tyquans parents KNEW he was in trouble a couple of years ago. Did they take him to therapy? Did they have a PINS on him? Did they follow up and fight for services outside of the school district? Everyone knows that School districts still have to work within money boundaries and are less generous than the state as far as finding proper out of home placement for at risk youth. This boy should have been in residential placement Supervised care 24 hours a day. Not roaming the streets with his buddies!! Thats a privilege that is earned through trust. But the only way to get there is by FIGHTING for your child. Parental Laziness is NO EXUSE! And where are the parents right now???????? Were they in court? Probably... and I bet they are standing by their son now... Just a little late Mom and Dad(and I say that loosely)

Patriot - 2/4/2009 10:04 AM
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That's why corporal punishment should not only be condoned, it should be used by every parent! This "time out" punishment is just BS. Parents need to be fair and consistant. Im sure if this kid had felt a heavy hand when he made mistakes as a todler he might have still feared his parent/parents. Have them call child protective service, once the interviews are done you will be cleared. I'm not talking about fists or belts or anything like that, just a heavy open hand to the bottom or cuff the back of the head. It's the hands off child care that has thrust us into the situation with our youth today. It's also the fear that Child Protective service will be called, again so what. Children need discipline!

pankydooley - 2/4/2009 8:53 AM
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It starts with the parents - I'm sorry - I believe and I sympathize with people who have mental disorders. But as a parent and as a parent of a child who has some problems in that area - I will do everything in my power to get him help even if that means tough love and having him in a psych center. The family didn't know where their 14 year old CHILD was? Come on...like I said, it starts with the family. Todays kids have no respect and it is due the fact that kids think they can bully anybody in their way and the parents back down cuz Oh No what if he/she reports it as child abuse. You know what - let it get reported as such and then when this kid does turn out like Tyquan, the foster systems, the public health systems can be at fault...but here I believe it lays in the hands of his own parents, was he officially ever diagnosed and if so what help was attained? yes we shouldn't jump to conclusions and blame but...HELLO!!! Has anybody witnessed the lack of parenting these days? I have an it's sickening!!!

sabryna - 2/4/2009 8:41 AM
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Sadly some of the old sayings ring true. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

pr1522 - 2/4/2009 7:12 AM
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yeah Mayor Duffy - put more money towards the useless Pathways to Peace Porgram...

amerks55 - 2/4/2009 6:42 AM
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Who is he? Who cares! He made a choice, he should suffer the consequences no matter what sob story they come up with. I don't care if he was raised by a pack of hyenas. At least in the animal kingdom, justice is swift and final. There's no appellate court.

concerned - 2/4/2009 5:55 AM
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I further researched everything I could on this teen. Apparently he is not a product of his environment. He was given every opportunity and then some to correct his behavior. Eventually they labeled him as a psychopath. He has been in trouble before for some pretty horrific things. Can't imagine what those might be since they didn't specify. If what I read is true then it stands to reason that no matter what environment this teen lived in the results would probably be the same.
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