Was Shooting Involving Security Guard Self Defense? Avoidable?

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Updated: 6/18/2012 6:58 pm
Rochester, N.Y. - One thing is not in dispute.  A security guard at the Gibbs Place Apartments shot his weapon twice Friday night, severely wounding a 32-year-old man.

But new questions are being raised over whether it was self-defense and whether it could have been avoidable altogether if Rochester Police had arrested the man after an earlier incident that night.

“If they had done their job properly, then this entire shooting indicent would not have happened,” says Marty Rennert who manages the apartment building.

Witnesses say Paul Ravenel charged the security guard with a knife earlier that night.  After he was disarmed he vowed to come back again with a gun. 

Police were called, but an arrest never happened.  Reasons why are unclear.  What is clear is that Ravenel made good on his threat to return to the apartments on Chestnut Street in Rochester.

“He was doing his job for everyone who lived here,” says resident Robert Rodgers, about the security guard.  Rodgers says he was being harassed by Ravenel, a man he’s seen before.

“The guy was obviously intoxicated, he had a knife in his hand,” says Rodgers.

Felix Cruz-Romero works for Black Hawk Security.  He was inside 35 Chestnut Street and startled by the commotion outside.  “He was banging the door and as he walked he opened the door half way and said you can’t be here,” says manager Rennert.

He then describes what happened next as Cruz-Romero walked outside.  “The man was very aggressive with him, yelling at him.  He was just three feet away.”

The security guard disarmed the man.  Witnesses say Ravenel ran into the street.  Rochester Police responded, confiscated the knife – but Ravenel was never arrested.

“The two police officers did not do their job and it resulted in this kind of force having to be used,” says Rennert.

Rodgers says Ravenel returned to the scene carrying a black bag and reaching inside it.  He described how the man ignored the security guard’s directive to step back. 

Ravenel was shot twice as he raised the bag with his hand.  Inside the bag was a hammer.

“I understand they’re advocating that it was self-defense,” says Chief James Sheppard of the Rochester Police Department.  “At this point in time we’re going to let the courts deal with that process.”

“He was screaming out there that he had a pistol- well if he says he has a pistol and he has a bag and it’s raised – what’s left to be thought?” asks Rennert who describes the security guard as a soft-spoken family man.

A private security firm was hired at Gibbs Place after a brutal attack last November.

Paul Ravenel is well known to police.  He is in guarded condition.  As for why he was not taken into custody Friday night after the earlier incident- Chief Sheppard says that Ravenel had left the scene.

Witnesses dispute that.

Cruz-Romero has been charged with assault.  A grand jury will determine whether the case will move forward or whether this is a case of self-defense.

 

 

 

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citizenkane - 7/3/2012 2:17 AM
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It's a strange deal all the way arround, but it looks as if it's a CYA move by RPD and the city. If he was shot 8 times good, you shoot until the threat is no more, there are stories about police officers who have shot bad guys with knives 20 feet away and dies because they got stabbed, you bet your ass I am comming home with all of the parts and pieces I came to work with. A man comes with a knife, you take it away he tells you, I am going to come back and kill you, he shows up with a bag and obviously his intent was to make teh guard think he had something capable of deadly physical force, and he probably got the proper warning before he got shot, if it had been me I would have dropped as many rounds center mass as it took to eliminate the threat if that means 15 then it's 15. If this guard took 8 and hit with all 8 god bless him, he may need to hit the range and do some quick reaction drills, but good for him going home (eventually) alive and with all of the parts he took to work. Personally, I think NY needs to make an assault on a licensed secuity officer in the duties of his , or her job a crime (not that general penal law crap on the books) A little incentive to the little hoodlums, and gangbangers that frequent local clubs.

pwoody - 6/20/2012 10:03 AM
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The reporting on this is absolutely pathetic. The victim of the shooting was shot 8x not 2x. He is in critical condition at the hospital. One shot is understandable, in order to get the supposed assailant's attention, but an unbelievable 8x, is attempted murder by the family man, security guard. Now, we understand why he was limited to being a security guard and not a police officer. The first report was that there was not an arrest because the "beligerant man" did not have a knife, and that is why there was not an arrest. The Security Officer should not be allowed to ever use a gun again in his life. One shot, maybe, but 8 shots proves that the security guard was a gun-wielding "nutcase".

huberts - 6/19/2012 12:32 AM
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I'm confused. How did the security guard manage to shoot his own pistol? Did he have two pistols, firing one, shooting the other? If so, what did that have to do with the belligerent knife and/or hammer-bag wielding guy? The story also seems to indicate that the belligerent man was wounded. Did the security guard also shoot him? So, the security guard fired one of his pistols at the other, I assume to scare the belligerent man. (The security guard must be a real marksman to shoot one pistol with the other, and I'd be afraid.) So the belligerent man was wounded by one of three things: 1. A ricochet, from the impressive trick shots 2. A third shot, from the grassy knoll 3. Coming to the harsh realization that Rochester doesn't have a journalist with a decent command of the English language It seems like the police should be looking into this, to see how many other people might be wounded by poor proof-reading in our fair city.

Don Murphy - 6/18/2012 7:36 PM
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Are you kidding me? The Police let him go despite the fact he was menacing people with a knife? He then comes back and once again making threats, claiming to have a gun and actually being armed with a hammer? And the Police acknowledge that he is well known to them due to past issues with his behavior and threats? And when a citizen, legally armed and acting in his own defense and in the defense of other innocents is forced to take the necessary steps to stop the menacing and potentially deadly behavior of this nutcase, the citizen gets charged?!?! Three things must immediately be done: 1) Drop the charges against the citizen accused in the shooting and apologies must be forthcoming from the Chief of Police and the Mayor. 2)Suspend the officers that responded the first time and charge them with dereliction of duty for failing to respond in a proper manner by not arresting the initial assailant. 3) Determine who made either the decision or set the policy that allowed the officers not to make an arrest at the initial incident. If the Chief or any other member of the RPD instituted a policy of non arrest in a menacing or threatening with a weapon situation, fire them immediately.
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